Somehow they all mostly got to wrongfully believe that preaching the Gospel was a false unacceptable alternative to them now living it as well..
I can remember when I was 25 years old, green, ignorant, inexperienced and that was the age at which I was first introduced to a dirty, lying, no good evangelical Pastor and his similarly false supporters. I was really shocked by their attitudes, behaviors especially even in in a Christian Church. These were mostly self made men who clearly and wrongfully had no fear or respect for God, never mind anyone else. For they too readily abused anyone who came across their paths too. Dirty elders , dirty deacons and a dirty pastor is just what we all do not need.
My next dramatic shock was to be told by one of my employees that he had gone with his wife to see a pastor and the pastor had now recommended to his wife that she divorce him and she too readily jumped at the opportunity too. That certainly was not what pastors where here for to destroy, to trouble, to damage instead of now helping wounded marriages to be made whole.
My next shock was to be told personally by my new church pastor, in my local neighborhood church located near my home too ,that most of the pastors now in north America were bad, crooked in reality.
My next shock was to discover how many Evangelical Pastors too readily counsel divorce, and have also committed adultery, even over half of them.. me thus finding out now that the Canadian pastors too were clearly mostly sex maniacs was unnerving experience too.
Then my last shock was to personally next find out how really pretentious, abusive, indifference to the needs of others, Pharisaic too, uncaring, most of the evangelical pastors now were, and they were clearly the "hireling" type Jesus himself had called as being hypocrites too.. for they also tended too often to lie, abused members and adherents, stole, gossiped about and slandered others as I often saw firsthand too... None of this is still acceptable.
Some how they the evngelical pastors, elders, deacons, members too they all mostly got to now wrongfully believe that preaching the Gospel was a false unacceptable alternative to them personally now living it as well..
(James 3:1 KJV) My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. 2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.3 Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth.5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.13 Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
(James 4:1 KJV) From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?
Gossip , slander the too common sin even of the evangelical pastors themselves
" One of the Ten Commandments (which is often forgotten) warns against giving false testimony or witness. The following passage is from Matthew 19:16-19 NIV: A man came up to Jesus and asked, 'Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?' …Jesus replied,…'If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.' 'Which ones?' the man inquired. Jesus replied, 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony[1], honor your father and mother, and love your neighbor as yourself.' " It seems most pastor today even wrongfully as well do not practice this verse too
"In the book of Leviticus – which was an extensive guide for the people of God on how to practically live out the Ten Commandments – Moses seemed to indicate that the command against bearing false witness encompassed more verbal sins than just lying. He gave the people strict instructions against tale-bearing: “You shall not go about as a talebearer among your people!”(Lev. 19:16, NKJV). Tale-bearing is a term that includes lying, gossiping, slandering, whispering, speaking ill, and in some cases, even seemingly innocent blabbing.The Greek words associated with tale-bearing are “diabolos” (accusing), “blasphemeo” (defaming), and “katalalia” (speaking against). According to the Bible, tale-bearing speech is any speech that accuses or defames a person or casts them in a negative light. All tale-bearing is condemned, whether the tales are false (Mt. 5:11), true (Prov. 17:9), malicious (Ps. 31:13), or merely foolish (Prov. 10:18). Women, in particular, are warned to avoid bearing and listening to tales (Tit. 2:3; 1 Tim. 3:11).Tale-bearing can have absolutely devastating results. According to Proverbs, it injures like a club, sword, or sharp arrow (Prov. 25:18). It stirs up dissention (Prov. 10:12) and kindles strife (Prov. 26:21). It tarnishes reputations (Prov. 25:10). Worst of all, it separates close friends and fractures relationships (Prov. 17:9). That’s probably why, of all our failures in speech, tale-bearing is amongst the most appalling in God’s eyes (Prov. 6:19). , “Whoever slanders his neighbor in secret, him will I put to silence…him will I not endure” (Psa. 101:5). “You speak continually against your brother and slander your own mother’s son…But I will rebuke you and accuse you to your face!” (Psa. 50:20-21)."
"The Greek word we translate “gossip” only appears one time in the New Testament, in 2 Cor. 12:20, where it is katalalia, which means backbiting, evil speaking, defamation. The root of katalalia is to utter words that talk against or to go as a slanderer. This is compared with the whisperer of Romans 1:29, or the slanderer or backbiter (katalalos, same root) of Romans 1:30. What interests me is that bigoted Christians love to parade the anti-homosexual bias of these verses but ignore the bits against whisperers and backbiters," and divorce, adultery.
I too once used to believe that there was no sin that God could not forgive or overlook and I also had wrongfully believed that God does not tend to punish people for their sins in this world.. until time had passed and I saw the truth of many professing Christians reaping negative consequences for what they had sowed,,
The unforgiveable free will sin of deliberate rebellion and slander.."Every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man [i.e., Jesus himself] will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." Blasphemeo is a Greek verb meaning "to slander". Our Lord's enemies were, are slandering his work; and since his work is done in the power of the Spirit, they are blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. What is in truth of God, they label devilish; what is truly good, they perversely call evil; what is genuinely restorative, they denounce as deceptive and destructive. They are doing exactly what Isaiah had spoken of 700 years earlier: "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. In reality they hate so much the truth Jesus brings and the truth he is that they harden themselves against the truth. They slander God himself (the Spirit, remember, is the power of God in our midst); they slander God himself, denying that God himself is the power by which the Son of God does the work of God. The unforgivable sin is the utter rebellion against God that denies God to be the doer of his own deeds. The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, then, is a deliberate, wilful smearing of the power of God as the force of evil. Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is a deliberate, wilful, ever-hardening denial of what is undeniably the work of God. And such hardening, says Jesus, eventually is irreversible. "He will not break a bruised reed or quench a smouldering wick...". The weakest faith; the most faltering discipleship; the most hesitant, doubt-filled following; honest doubt and genuine perplexity; all of this our Lord sees and notes and helps. None of it will he scorn or dismiss. And none of it must we ever, ever suggest to be anything approaching the blasphemy against the Spirit. Weak faith he strengthens; faltering faith he makes resolute; genuine perplexity he addresses. He doesn't break bruised reeds or quench smouldering wicks. He has nothing but compassion and help for all who cry that their struggle for faith is just that: a struggle. At the same time, he God has nothing but condemnation for those who persist unrelentingly in maintaining that light is darkness and darkness light, that evil is good and good evil."So blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, persistent slander of that power of God by which Jesus Christ acted and still acts. Such blasphemy or slander is to call a good work evil, evil good, light darkness and darkness light. People are tempted to do this for any number of reasons, none of which is excusable. Such slander or blasphemy, such perverse defiance, persisted in can be persisted in until correction becomes impossible."
(Isa 59:15 KJV) Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
(Prov 21:29 KJV) A wicked man hardeneth his face: but as for the upright, he directeth his way.
(Prov 28:14 KJV) Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.
(Prov 29:1 KJV) He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
(Rom 9:18 KJV) Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
"In contrast to the above now Peter asks Jesus how many times a disciple should forgive the person who offends and does next asks for, accepts our forgivness. Seven times would surely be more than enough. "Seventy times seven is more like it", says Jesus, "there's no limit to the forgiveness we must press upon those who offend us." If Jesus insists there's to be no limit to our forgiveness, it's absurd to think there would be any limit to God's. Jesus reinforces this point through the parable of the unforgiving servant. The bottom line of the parable is lucid: the servant ought to have forgiven his neighbour simply because God had already poured limitless forgiveness, inexhaustible forgiveness, upon the servant himself. So vast is God's mercy in forgiving the servant that alongside God's oceanic forgiveness of the servant, the neighbour's violation of the same servant is a trifle. In other words, God's pardon is immeasurable and inexhaustible. Wherever Jesus speaks severely, he speaks tenderly in the very next breath."
In Mat 23:15 speaking about the religious hypocrites Jesus himself had said:“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves” Religious Hypocrites not only fail to enter in heaven but they do take others into Hell with them. (Jer 23:14 KJV) I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
As Jesus taught the words of God and also had worked miracles, some of the people present were clearly amazed that He taught with authority and not as the scribes and that even demons obeyed His word (Mt 7: 28-29; Mk 1: 22-27). Mark 1: 27 ‘What thing is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him.”The religious people of the day themselves even next like many of them today as well they next still sat in darkness while they rather skeptically debated the issues of Jesus healing on the Sabbath day, His disciples’ habit of eating food with unwashed hands and other such meaningless matters too
“Is not this the carpenter’s son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?” (Mat 13:55).
“Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.” (Mar 6:3).
and they thus had missed the words, the work of God too, Jesus and his followers doing the will of the Lord, laying hands on the sick, casting out demons, tearing down strongholds andf anyone without love is like “… sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal” (1 Cor 13: 1). And these people without love become like the Scribes, Pharisees and Sadducee. and t hey are fixed on doing works and outward appearances for salvation. The exact letter of the law was more important to them than love. Jesus again rebuked them when He said:“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.” (Mt 23: 23).
Thse same People without love therefore become fixed in an era of spiritual truth and vigorously persecute those preaching new and revealed truth of the Word. Their hypocritcal, relgious spirt, their spirit of religious fanaticism also manifests in the form of male dominance and/or bullying, bashing, or some other form of pwer control which is exerted through the leadership or the system itself. This manifests next in the founding of a new cult.
Do note that one also personaly does not need to be doing anything “sinful” in the sense of sins such as fornication and adultery to be a hypocrite . Paul experienced and dealt with similar problems of the hypocritical Christians in the early church when false teachers crept in to persuade the gentile believers to become circumcised in order to be saved. This false teaching had caused such an uproar in the church that he and Barnabas had to go to Jerusalem to settle the issue. When he next had wrote to the Galatians, he placed the responsibility squarely on Apostle's Peter’s shoulders even:
Gal 2: 11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed.2 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Peter’s example would certainly be called “two faced” today. And do we also still say one thing in front of people and another behind their backs? "We all still do need to “walk uprightly according to the truth of the gospel even elders and pastors”.
The ministry of truth but also of compassion is also a very important element of the Apostle’s ministry. Paul revealed four important elements of that ministry as revealed in Jesus’ life in Hebrews 2: 9-18. These are the characteristics that should be present in anyone carrying the title “Apostle”.
While the unrepentant wicked persons they do even twist the scriptures, do try to manipulate other people, playing on the mass, trying to getting the whole crowd even to do things their way. They also manipulated People's weakness and they try to manipulate even daily events. But we will rise again for no weapon will prosper against the servant of the Lord.
Adultery, a too common unacceptable sin even of Evangelical pastors now as well.
The mouth of strange women is a deep pit: he that is abhorred of the LORD shall fall therein. (Proverbs 22:14 KJV) Don't even look at any "strange women." If you do, you will utter perverse things. Proverbs 23:33
"King David was one of the most anointed prophets because he had such an intimate relationship with God. He was a man after God’s own heart, hearing conversations between the Father and Son. However, he had a weakness and next fell because he also gave heed to a seducing spirit. Clearly Bathsheba as a woman who portrayed herself to David as a woman in whom he could obtain sexual satisfaction. His eyes saw her nakedness and beauty, then his spirit succumbed to the temptation. David’s hunger for the sexual act was actively stimulated by Bathsheba’s sexual attraction, which she played up by her aggressive sexual overtures, for Bathsheba likley was possessed by a spirit of lust and seduction. Her husband was away at war and she set up her enticement at a critical time in her menstrual cycle - the time of ovulation. How do we know this? 2 Samuel 11: 4, 5 say that when David saw her he “sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness: and she returned unto her house. And the woman conceived, and sent and told David, and said, I am with child.” Did she plan to become pregnant by the king? As soon as she realized that she was pregnant, she sent to tell David. Her enticement came with a price which included the pregnancy, but also the murder of her husband so David could marry her and cover the pregnancy, the death of the child at birth, loss of fellowship with God (Ps 51) and a fourfold curse on David (2 Sam 12: 8- 15). David had to pay bitterly in the long term. This all was too much of a price to pay for King david's one night stand. We all need to be careful, because the enemy, the devil, he knows our weaknesses and he still does sends seducing spirit to us to cause us all to fall. If you are a man or woman of God, they will almost be up in your face all of the time, even among the church members, leaders (yes, believe it or not), choir etc. In essence, Bathsheba killed the growth of King David’s godly dreams, ministry and future all led by the devil now himself too. The seductress Bathsheba will tempt you while you are engaged in ministry activities, betray you while you are out doing the work of the Lord (if you marry the person). Bathsheba will also kill your self esteem, your dreams and hopes. Bathsheba is a serpent. Some of these serpents are easy to discern and the serpents reveal themselves. Some are not discernible and the serpents look just like the individual " Nevertheless-
(Exo 20:14 KJV) Thou shalt not commit adultery.
(Lev 20:10 KJV) And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.
(Prov 6:32 KJV) But whoso committeth adultery with a woman lacketh understanding: he that doeth it destroyeth his own soul.
(Jer 3:8 KJV) And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
(Jer 3:9 KJV) And it came to pass through the lightness of her whoredom, that she defiled the land, and committed adultery with stones and with stocks.
(Jer 5:7 KJV) How shall I pardon thee for this? thy children have forsaken me, and sworn by them that are no gods: when I had fed them to the full, they then committed adultery, and assembled themselves by troops in the harlots' houses.
(Jer 7:9 KJV) Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
(Jer 23:14 KJV) I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
(Jer 29:23 KJV) Because they have committed villany in Israel, and have committed adultery with their neighbours' wives, and have spoken lying words in my name, which I have not commanded them; even I know, and am a witness, saith the LORD.
(Ezek 16:32 KJV) But as a wife that committeth adultery, which taketh strangers instead of her husband!
(Ezek 23:37 KJV) That they have committed adultery, and blood is in their hands, and with their idols have they committed adultery, and have also caused their sons, whom they bare unto me, to pass for them through the fire, to devour them.
(Hosea 4:2 KJV) By swearing, and lying, and killing, and stealing, and committing adultery, they break out, and blood toucheth blood.
(Hosea 4:13 KJV) They sacrifice upon the tops of the mountains, and burn incense upon the hills, under oaks and poplars and elms, because the shadow thereof is good: therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.
(Mat 5:27 KJV) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: 28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
(Mat 5:32 KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
(Mat 19:9 KJV) And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
(Mark 10:11 KJV) And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
(Mark 10:12 KJV) And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.
(Luke 16:18 KJV) Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
(Rom 2:22 KJV) Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege?
(Rom 13:9 KJV) For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
(Gal 5:19 KJV) Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
(James 2:11 KJV) For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
(2 Pet 2:14 KJV) Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
(Rev 2:22 KJV) Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
(Gen 38:10 KJV) And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
(Num 11:1 KJV) And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp.
(1 Chr 21:7 KJV) And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel.
(Isa 59:15 KJV) Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
In the ongoing secular societies of today sex sins, specially sex outside of marriage, adultery is personally still taken too lightly, but these sins for Christians also do have real, serious negative consequences, the disapproval of God clearly indicated now in the Bible. In reality when one has indulged in adultery, one has tended to also simultaneously or previously indulged in many other unacceptable sins now too. Over 55 percent of evangelical pastors have committed adultery now too in North America... and it is no wonder they wrongfully tend to counsel divorce too.
The Real, Negative consequences of Sex Sin Examples in the Bible http://www.porn-free.org/sex_sin_Bible.htm
Negative consequences here on earth firstly too.
Numbers 14:18 "The LORD is slow to anger, abounding in love and forgiving sin and rebellion. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."
(Lev 19:15 KJV) Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
(Lev 19:16 KJV) Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
(Lev 19:17 KJV) Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
(Lev 19:18 KJV) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
(Prov 18:8 KJV) The words of a talebearer are as wounds, and they go down into the innermost parts of the belly.
(Prov 20:19 KJV) He that goeth about as a talebearer revealeth secrets: therefore meddle not with him that flattereth with his lips.
(Prov 26:20 KJV) Where no wood is, there the fire goeth out: so where there is no talebearer, the strife ceaseth.
(Prov 17:14 KJV) The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with.
(Prov 17:15 KJV) He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.
(Prov 18:12 KJV) Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
(Prov 18:13 KJV) He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
(Prov 18:21 KJV) Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.
(Prov 21:23 KJV) Whoso keepeth his mouth and his tongue keepeth his soul from troubles.
(Prov 19:9 KJV) A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish.
(Prov 19:27 KJV) Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.
(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(Prov 20:22 KJV) Say not thou, I will recompense evil; but wait on the LORD, and he shall save thee.
(Prov 21:13 KJV) Whoso stoppeth his ears at the cry of the poor, he also shall cry himself, but shall not be heard.
"And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches chokes the word and it becomes unfruitful." (Matthew 13:22)
Today, while we may heap some justifiable blame even on our leaders, our prime minister, but we must still all also take continual stock of our own lives and activities.
Is it possible, or RATHER MORE LIKELY that we too now are somewhere SIMILAR down the road toward sin and do await our own REAL NEGATIVE PERSONAL CONSEQUENCES NEXT TOO? Yes even Idleness, the Investigation of others, our Ignoring God's word, and his warnings to us, they all also can lead to the commission of OUR OWN sin.
The Old testament King David had an admirable real relationship with God? But what were David's life relationships like next ? Did he make the right choices, decisions here too? Or did he himself now not appoint bad people into leadership positions, had made friendship with bad people too? What was his relationship like even with his own sons? God himself does not paint a picture of King David. He indeed was a man seeking to put God first in his life but he also personally sinned. The Old Testament King David was also a person occupied often with dealing with his enemies. (Psa 102:8 KJV) "Mine enemies reproach me all the day; and they that are mad against me are sworn against me." The charismatic personality of David was illustrated by the fact that followers were attracted to him, followers who were willing to fight and die for him even in the dire straits. Some they became the most faithful of David's followers, providing the closest personal security to King David as his palace guard too, Joab included. But all of his followers were not admirable as the Bible record also shows. King David ever retained and acted upon the knowledge that God was real and near. King David's life illustrated his faith and obedience to his God. But his followers some of them they acted as the secular men who took no thought that God had any part in their day's activities but that it was up to him to take action in accordance with their own natural. even sinful uman inclinations. Not only was Joab next guilty of murder, he had also violated the peace initiative arranged by King David. As we study the life of David, we next also do even see that David eventually collaborated in evil doing with Joab, for King David had shown false partiality and he wrongfully did not bring Joab immediately to justice for his act of murder. King David inadequately too merely spoke words of condemnation against Joab saying, "May the Lord repay the evildoer according to his evil". " So David reigned over all Israel; and he administered justice and righteousness for all his people. And Joab son of Zeruiah was over the army". (1st Chronicles 18:14f) Why did David appoint Joab, whom he thought to be an evil man, to be head over the army of Israel? There is no indication that Joab had repented of his evil doing. Was Joab appointed commander simply because David had promised the position to the one who captured Jerusalem? Did the fact that Joab was David's nephew, the son of David's sister, make Joab a more desirable candidate? "
It clearly appears that even Kind David had erred in letting worldly men have the influence of close association with him, especially the sons of Zeruiah. "It appears at times that even King David allowed worldly political aspirations to wronfully choke out God's truths from his consideration. At times his soul smothered his spirit and prevented spiritual communication to and from his God. (Hebrews 4:12) How similar were the spiritual problems of David to problems in our lives today." How you do it is as important as what you do now as well..
Even God's favorites can still go to far in their own personal acts. King David also was a person who was quick to condemn the sins of others too he had wrongfully initially had neglected his own too. (2 Sam 12:5 KJV) "And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the LORD liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die: For King David himself had decided that he must get rid of Uriah so he could wrongfully take Bathsheba to wife. He wrote a note to Joab enclosing it in an official message pouch. And he sent the pouch to Joab on the battlefield by the hand of Uriah when Uriah departed back to the battlefield. The note said, "Place Uriah in the front line of the fiercest battle and withdraw from him, so that he may be struck down". Uriah died in the battle which Joab then put him. Joab when he reported the war with the Ammonites to David he added at the end of his casualty report, "Your servant Uriah the Hittite is dead also." King David replied, "Do not let this thing displease you, for the sword devours one as well as another; make your battle against the city stronger and overthrow it." Thus David tried to trivialize the conspiracy and murder. David knew perfectly well that he had initiated a conspiracy with Joab to bring about the death of Uriah. Undoubtedly King David also knew that Joab could be held responsible as a conspirator for the death of Uriah. The scripture clearly says, "But the thing David had done was evil in the sight of the Lord." (2nd Samuel 11)
"It is I who anointed you king over Israel and it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul. I also gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your care, and I gave you the house of Israel and the house of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would have added to you many more things like these. Why have you despised the word of the Lord by doing evil in his sight? You have struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword, have taken his wife to be your wife, and have killed him with the sword of the sons of Ammon. Now therefore, the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife. ...Behold I will raise up evil against you from your own household; I will even take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your companion, and he shall be with your wives in broad daylight. Indeed, you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel, and under the sun." 2nd Samuel 12
"David then repented and acknowledged to Nathan that he had sinned. Nathan then told David that "the Lord has taken away your sin, you shall not die." David was saved eternally from the fullness his sins but the earthly, fleshly consequences of his own sin had to be borne while he lived on earth. Even Moses also reaped the earthly consequences of his earthly sins and he did as a result die and not enter the promised land. . The things which God had revealed would happen to David did indeed happen to him during the reminder of his life.
(1 Sam 2:12 KJV) Now the sons of Eli were sons of Belial; they knew not the LORD.
13 And the priests' custom with the people was, that, when any man offered sacrifice, the priest's servant came, while the flesh was in seething, with a fleshhook of three teeth in his hand;
14 And he struck it into the pan, or kettle, or caldron, or pot; all that the fleshhook brought up the priest took for himself. So they did in Shiloh, unto all the Israelites that came thither.
15 Also before they burnt the fat, the priest's servant came, and said to the man that sacrificed, Give flesh to roast for the priest; for he will not have sodden flesh of thee, but raw.
16 And if any man said unto him, Let them not fail to burn the fat presently, and then take as much as thy soul desireth; then he would answer him, Nay; but thou shalt give it me now: and if not, I will take it by force.
17 Wherefore the sin of the young men was very great before the LORD: for men abhorred the offering of the LORD.
(1 Sam 2:22 KJV) Now Eli was very old, and heard all that his sons did unto all Israel; and how they lay with the women that assembled at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
23 And he said unto them, Why do ye such things? for I hear of your evil dealings by all this people.
24 Nay, my sons; for it is no good report that I hear: ye make the Lord's people to transgress.
25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall entreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.
(1 Sam 2:27 KJV) And there came a man of God unto Eli, and said unto him, Thus saith the LORD, Did I plainly appear unto the house of thy father, when they were in Egypt in Pharaoh's house?
28 And did I choose him out of all the tribes of Israel to be my priest, to offer upon mine altar, to burn incense, to wear an ephod before me? and did I give unto the house of thy father all the offerings made by fire of the children of Israel?
29 Wherefore kick ye at my sacrifice and at mine offering, which I have commanded in my habitation; and honourest thy sons above me, to make yourselves fat with the chiefest of all the offerings of Israel my people?
30 Wherefore the LORD God of Israel saith, I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father, should walk before me for ever: but now the LORD saith, Be it far from me; for them that honour me I will honour, and they that despise me shall be lightly esteemed.
31 Behold, the days come, that I will cut off thine arm, and the arm of thy father's house, that there shall not be an old man in thine house.
32 And thou shalt see an enemy in my habitation, in all the wealth which God shall give Israel: and there shall not be an old man in thine house for ever.
33 And the man of thine, whom I shall not cut off from mine altar, shall be to consume thine eyes, and to grieve thine heart: and all the increase of thine house shall die in the flower of their age.
34 And this shall be a sign unto thee, that shall come upon thy two sons, on Hophni and Phinehas; in one day they shall die both of them.
35 And I will raise me up a faithful priest, that shall do according to that which is in mine heart and in my mind: and I will build him a sure house; and he shall walk before mine anointed for ever.
36 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left in thine house shall come and crouch to him for a piece of silver and a morsel of bread, and shall say, Put me, I pray thee, into one of the priests' offices, that I may eat a piece of bread.
And no matter who you are, even the Bible through King David's own life also still teaches us that unrepentant sin has next real,significant consequences even during one's fleshly life that next cannot be avoided no matter who many tears were next shed. (2 Sam 12:15 KJV) "And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.16 David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. 17 And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them.18 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died." Had King David immediately repented of his sins instead of him being confronted forcibly of them by the Prophet Nathan his own negative personal consequences would have been less as well. No matter who the person now supposedly is, even a King, a president, a leader, Real personal repentance is still required.
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"We had learned that Henry Lyons, the leader of the National Baptist Convention USA, with an estimated 8.5 million members, admitted to having an affair with a female member of his staff. He came before the convention and asked for forgiveness.
"His speech was marvelous," said one church member. "We all make some mistakes. It takes a man to get up in front of all these people and admit he's wrong and ask for forgiveness."
Let's stop for a minute and get something straight. For a man to be unfaithful to his wife and engage in lovemaking with someone other than his wife, this is not just "some mistake". It's not like slobbering soup on your suit; and it's not like forgetting to write down a check in your ledger and then bouncing a check due to insufficient funds. It's not even like cheating on your 1040.
It may have come as no surprise then, that this same church convention body passed a resolution in support of President Clinton, who has apologized for his "inappropriate relationship" with a former White House intern.
"We stand firmly behind our president," said Henry Lyons, who admitted to his own brand of marriage infidelity. "We'd like to see the Republican majority in Congress off his back. We thank God that he and Mrs. Clinton are faring well."
Then the convention's board of directors took up a mass offering for Lyons' legal defense fund. More than 70 ministers each donated $500 or more and ushers emptied dozens of baskets filled with cash into a large trash bag What are we to do with this?
Some have wanted us to believe that what our leaders, religious and political do in private is of no public concern or consequence.
When finally the president was backed to the wall and forced to admit his sin, there quickly arose many voices calling for forgiveness. We are told that our president has been forgiven by his wife, so that should be all that's necessary.
Let me register this reminder to all that "We got what we voted for!" Even before his election, we know that the president had not been faithful to his wife. And we elected him anyway. The fact is, the sin of our president is not his alone, it is ours as a nation. We have been saying for a long time now, we don't care about character, we only care about the economy. "It's the economy, stupid" has now become one of the better known political statements of the present generation. But look at what's happening now - our unwillingness to deal with the character issue is bringing the economy to its knees. But please note, not only ours, but the economy of the world. And when the other nations of the world should be looking to America for stability and leadership, they find a president using the power of his office to gratify his own fleshly desires by carrying out a long term affair and making love in the hall way with a woman less than half his age.
This raises some very difficult questions. Does God's forgiveness exempt us from the consequences of our sin? Should the American people do the Christian thing, and forgive the president? Of course, there are some who might suggest we have nothing to forgive because the sin was not against us, it was against the president's wife, and his lovers. That may be a fair statement, but when the president looked us right in the camera's eye and denied the accusations, he blatantly lied to us, and that lie does call for our forgiveness.
And what about punishment and its more positive side, discipline? Is it enough that God punishes, God disciplines?
One minister said of the president, "He couldn't have a greater hell on Earth than he is facing right now. So we don't need to do more to him. Who are we to play God?"
Or should we also initiate punishment and discipline toward someone who has sinned against us? The Scripture does make it clear that governments are ordained by God to punish evil, and we hope that ours will fulfill its God given responsibility toward all, regardless of status.
There is also the matter of trust. Can a leader lead who cannot be trusted? If blatant lies are convincingly proven, how can we trust a president to represent us before the world?
Some would make us think that we looking for perfection in a president. No one in this world today is sinless, so the argument goes, so we shouldn't expect it of our president.
During these events, some have made reference to a prominent Biblical leader who also sinned the sin of adultery. He was forgiven, he did not resign nor was he dethroned.
Of course I'm speaking of the story of David and Bathsheba in II Samuel 11
A. First, what led up to the now famous sin of a King, specially selected by God and known to be a "man after God's own heart"? The poet and song writer whose works have defined the very practice of worship for 3,000 years?
Following his story gives us a lesson about the downward steps of a godly man:
1. The first step was IDLENESS. David had established his national power sufficiently so as not to need to go out to war, he could delegate it to his General, Joab, while David the king stayed home. But he evidently still had a need to conquer.
This is of concern to us because in our present life style we have more idle time than aver before in the history of the world. We've all heard the saying, "An idle mind is the devil's workshop."
We know that idleness results in poverty "By much slothfulness the building decayeth; and through idleness of the hands the house droppeth through." (KJV) If a man is lazy, the rafters sag; if his hands are idle, the house leaks. (NIV) Ecclesiastes 10:18
Slothfulness casteth into a deep sleep; and an idle soul shall suffer hunger. Proverbs 19:15
But worse yet, idleness leads to sin. Hear what God said about Sodom, "Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. (KJV) (Ezekiel 16:49)
The Apostle Paul also gives a warning about idleness: "Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they become idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to." (1 Timothy 5:13)
David allowed his eyes to wander, and fixed them on a beautiful, naked woman.
This too, more than ever, is our problem. Daily we have multiple opportunities to see things with our eyes which have the potential of leading us into sin. Television, New Stands, Bill Boards, real live people in our face.
Remember the First Lady, Eve? She was tempted by merely looking at the forbidden fruit. "When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye" (Genesis 3)
"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?" (KJV) "Your eyes are too pure to look on evil; you cannot tolerate wrong. Why then do you tolerate the treacherous? Why are you silent while the wicked swallow up those more righteous than themselves?" (NIV) (Habakkuk 1:13)
For David, the investigation went further, he inquired about the woman that he saw. Thus he took another step down the road to sin. There's no reason to investigate sin.
3. Then David took a most treacherous step, he IGNORED the mild warning provided by the messenger when he as much as said, "she's a married woman."
We might want to fault the messenger for not being more forceful. But perhaps we don't understand the power of this man, the king. To go against the king's wishes, to stand up to him, would be like suicide.
Let's look at it this way. God always places a block of some sort, there's always something in our way along the pathway toward sin. Maybe it's that inner voice of conscience, or the memory of a parent's warning, or a friend's caution, or an unusual circumstance that catches our attention. God, in His mercy, makes an effort to keep us from taking that last step toward the fulfillment of the sin. I have a friend who had begun to go down the slippery slope into the world of pornography. In a distant city, far from anyone who could possibly recognize him, he slipped into a chair in the back corner of a strip bar. As he ordered a coke, he saw the door at the other end of the room open, and a uniformed Salvation Army man walked through the room, smiled at my friend, dropped a copy of the "War Cry" (a Christian magazine) on the table, then turned and walked back out of the bar without ever saying a word. God used that stranger to stop my friend dead in his tracks, and that night he took the first steps back away from the precipice.
But in our Biblical Historical story, David ignored the hindrance, and took the next step. He
4. INVITED Bathsheba to his bed.
The sin didn't end with the sexual encounter. When David learned the woman was pregnant, he initiated a cover-up attempt, first, bringing home the husband so it would look like the child to be born was the husband's. But out of loyalty and solidarity with his fellow soldiers in the field, the husband refused to go home to sleep with his wife. David tried a second time by getting the man drunk. What that failed he secured the cooperation of his general to guarantee that the man would be killed in battle. Notice that not only Uriah died, but other men lost their lives in what was considered to be a foolish tactic, chasing men from the city all the way to the gate so that archers could shoot at them from the wall. From all appearances, it seemed that David had gotten away with it, he got away with adultery and murder.
But he didn't; the prophet Nathan confronted him, and got him to confess his sin "against the Lord". Immediately, David was told, "The Lord has taken away your sin." And David lived happily ever after. Right? Wrong!
B. A series of terrible consequences marched into David's life
1. First was the death of Bathsheba's baby (II Samuel 12).
2. Then one of his sons raped the sister of another one of David's sons. (II Samuel 13)
3. The brother of the rape victim took revenge, Absolom killed Amnon.
4. When David found out, he banished Absolom for three years (II Samuel 13)
5. Joab deceived David to get him to bring his son back to Jerusalem. (II Samuel 14), but that set the stage for an all out rebellion of Absolom, he successfully conspired and took over the throne for a while, David had to flee from the city (II Samuel 15).
6. Absolom was killed (II Samuel 18)
7. Later there was another rebellion by Sheba, who apparently tried to divide Israel from Judah.
So, our question gets asked again, when God forgives sin, are there no consequences? http://www.joyfulministry.com/davidt.htm
"In David's later years his kingdom stretched from Dan in the north to Beersheba in the south. David,decided that he ought to take a census of the people of his expanded nation in order to know how big an army he could call out to battle. The scripture says that David's decision was inspired by Satan. Joab started the taking of the census. However, the scripture says that the taking of the census was abhorrent to Joab. He stopped short of completing the entire census, leaving out the tribes of Levi and Benjamin. However he reported the partial count to David, apparently as a complete count of all Israel. God was not pleased that the census had been taken. The prophet, Gad, let David know that he had sinned and that all Israel was in danger of the immediate wrath of God. David's heart troubled him and he cried out to God, "I have sinned greatly in what I have done. But now, 0 Lord, please take away the iniquity of Thy servant, for I have acted very foolishly." However, the prophet Gad informed David that God had already determined to strike Israel. God was willing to let David chose from three possible punishments, which He might impose. David had to choose from: (1) seven years of famine to the entire land, (2) three months flight by David from his foes while they pursued him,' or (3) three days of pestilence in the land. David chose the latter, with the statement to God, "I am in great distress. Let us now fall into the hand of the Lord for His mercies are great, but do not let me fall into the hands of man." The pestilence which fell upon Israel resulted in the deaths of seventy thousand men from Dan to Beersheba. The scriptural record seems to indicate that God, at first, had intended to destroy far more people of Israel than the seventy thousand men who died. God sent His destroying angel to Jerusalem to kill the people there as well. David saw the angel of God standing beside the threshing floor of Araunah on the top of the mountain later to be known as Mount Zion. The angel had drawn his sword and was looking down on the city of Jerusalem. Then David spoke to the Lord and said, "Behold, it is I who have sinned, and it is I who has done wrong; but these sheep, what have they done? Please let Thy hand be against me and against my father's house." God said to the angel who destroyed the people, "It is enough! Now relax your hand!" God answered David's plea through the prophet Gad, who relayed God's message for David to go up to the threshing floor of Araunah and there erect an altar to the Lord. David immediately bought the mountain top which contained the threshing floor from a Jebusite, Araunah, and built an altar there. David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings to God there. Thus the Lord was moved by entreaty for the land, and the plague was held back from the people of Jerusalem. (2nd Samuel 24; 1st Chronicles 21)"
(Psa 51:1 KJV) To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David, when Nathan the prophet came unto him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
Yes even King David He was altogether human. But soley because he acknowledged and repented of his sins, God instead of rejecting him, like he did with King saul, he God next forgave King David and made everything work out for the ultimate good of him and all mankind. God brought ultimate spiritual good from the life of sinners like David if they remained faithful to God through acknowledgement and repentance of their sins. We are reminded that King Saul had not learned to deal with,, confess his own sins as well and paid real negative consequences for I too.
(1 Sam 15:23 KJV) For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
Absolom now himself had taken his own vengeance in disobedience to the command of God who says all vengeance is His alone. (Rom 12:19 KJV) "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." He Absolom clearly now had done his muderous act out of anger, rage, and resentment over the rape and incest of his sister Tamar by her half-brother Amnon. Note also the unacceptable sins of Absolom next also who too had to otehrs pretended he was a good person and who next reblled and was killed for doing so too.."Absolom stole away the hearts of the men of Israel." (2nd Samuel 15) Absolom usurped the throne and lawful authority of his father David. Absalom clearly in his false pride strives to make himself more popular with the people of Israel over his own father in an effort even to become the new king. Absolom, next during his brief rebellion, named Amasa as head of the army in place of Joab. David instructed all his men to avoid any harm to his son Absolom. Joab he ignored David's wishes and killed David's son.
"There is an ironic similarity between the death of Uriah and the death of Absalom. In killing Absalom, Joab ignores the king's plea, "Deal gently with the young man, Absalom. Perhaps he's remembering instead David's contadictory message to him after the death of Uriah which David ordered. "Do not let this matter trouble you for the sword devours now one and now another." What had in the past to King David made Joab friendship so useful in Uriah's death is not the least bit useful next when it comes to the death of david's son Absalom." Joab does rather helped easily in two wrongful deaths.
Rebellion against David did not end with Absolom's rebellion. The scripture speaks of a "worthless fellow" named Sheba, son of Bichri, a Benjamite, who for awhile rallied Israel against Judah. Sheba called out to the men of Israel, ' we have no portion in David, nor do we have inheritance in the son of Jesse; every man to his tents, 0 Israel". The scripture then says, "So all the men of Israel withdrew from following David, and followed Sheba the son of Bichri; but the men of Judah remained steadfast to their king, from the Jordan even to Jerusalem."
King David as an old man was still plagued by uprising and rebellion against him. His fourth son, Adonijah, believing David to have become feeble, began to aspire to be king in his place.Adonijah himself was killed next too. The scripture also says that Joab rebelled, and had followed Adonijah, although he had not followed Absolom. Even Joab was killed and finally brought to justice(1st Kings 2) Those who show no mercy to others, receive none when it is their time to receive justice.
"Sin has consequences and personal effects next on many. He that covers his sin shall not prosper. The way of the transgressor is hard. Sin has effects. Don't ever kid yourself -- sin is never worth it. It is just too dangerous. The gratification it promises is so illusive, so deceiving -- like a trap, it will spring shut on you, catch you, and then it will be too late. You'll be left with it." Wrong patterns of abuse, exploitation and alienation have now too often even divided our own families as surely as the family of King David. "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you. Be imitators of God and live in love as Christ loved us. Loving only those who are easy to love, or onl those who serve us still however, contradicts the heart of the gospel of Jesus Christ.. Let's all learn our lessons even from Biblical history too so we won't need to repeat them. Let's learn also from King David that though personal forgiveness for sin was, is extended, for many negative consequences still follow those who ddid not stop on the road to sin and did not exercise God's grace to overcome sins. "
(Gal 6:7 KJV) Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
(Heb 12:15 KJV) Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;"
The ongoing false wars between the professing Christian pastors and many others
1: It has long been recognized that the fax is a legal document and it is also an accepted legal fact that when a person sends a letter, even an electronic one, to another person, and they cannot deny they do not get it now too especially with copies being sent also to many other witnesses, and this letter stated openly their unacceptable faults, that after a reasonable amount of time say 6 months, they the accused next have not denied back the accusations, or the letter, they themselves now next cannot sue the originator person for slander, deformation of character or what ever now as well.
But per the New Testament the accused they do not even need still now an original document cosigned by a barrister to repent off now next as well. This accusation of their wrong doing(s) undeniably now can also be done simply verbally with 2 or 3 witnesses.
2: It is also undeniable that the Pastors of the Toronto airport Christian fellowship Church have done even Biblical wrong by going to court instead another professing Christian brother his suppsoed slander, instead of firstly using other means to resolve the issue.
(1 Cor 4:12 KJV) And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:
(1 Cor 6:7 KJV) Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
(1 Cor 12:26 KJV) And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
(Phil 1:29 KJV) For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
(Phil 4:12 KJV) I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.
(2 Tim 3:12 KJV) Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
(Heb 11:25 KJV) Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
(Heb 13:3 KJV) Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.
(Rev 2:10 KJV) Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
3: Evangelical pastors should note especially this.. One does not even have to have any of the details, or now even witnesses of the wrong doings alleged, when one accuses his fellow brother of wrong doings, for next all one has to do is to have witnesses that one has asked the offending party to repent, and only 2 or 3 persons as witnesses now are required... ..
(Mat 18:15 KJV) Moreover if they brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained they brother.16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. (Eph 5:21 KJV) Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
4: The term brother now used by Jesus above is a generic one, including any individual of the whole body of Jesus Christ now, not falsely being limited to a brother of a specific local church only, The term neighbor covered the rest of the persons.
5: Do also clearly note as per Jesus own Instruction to all of his followers, the pastors now of TACF included, that there is no valid New Testament prohibition above too that now excludes the matter from being made next public next as well if satisfaction had not been obtained by the accuser.... rather it is mandatory next.
6: These clearly crooked pastors they they have wrongfully resorted to name calling, that they now all also do need to repent, to make restitution, even those pastors from the Toronto Airport Christian fellowship church, for the undeniably have been, are themselves firstly guilty of character assassination, slander, but they also behaving in an unchrist manner towards a Christian Brother
(Gal 6:1 KJV) Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
7: Now whether the accused pastor(s), individual next repents or not, the final judgment itself will also next be undertaken next by God himself. I can assured you it will be a severe one too. And they will certainly have wished they had repented when they were first had been asked too. I myself have too often now seen the pale, white faces of the trembling pastors and their wives after them being fully episode for who they really were, them there recognizing that the inevitable judgment of God was now forthcoming here, and too often now in Canada.
(Heb 10:31 KJV) It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
(1 Tim 6:17 KJV) Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not high-minded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy;
(Heb 3:12 KJV) Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
8: There is also no doubt about it that the rightfully New Testament Church is a congregational one, run by a plurality of elders, and pastors are only one of the many equal ruling elders only all mutually submitting one to another too. (1 Pet 5:1 KJV) The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
9: There is also no doubt about the "tithing" giving today is not binding, but a voluntary act, and the a clear portion, 1/7 of the tithes and offerings, are also to be used to help direct the local poor Christians in the local church and/or any other Christian church, and these poor people are not limited to being only the supposedly poor pastors, church workers, missionary now as well. But even this issue was long time discussed and resolved by the Apostles in the early new Testament church by the appointment of deacons to oversee this ministry. http://pbulow.tripod.com/tithing.html
The Lord God stated that the Levites would have no inheritance of land but would be given a portion of the tithe instead. Such an injunction would also apply today to anyone claiming a right to a tithe too.Numbers 18:20 (NIV) 20 The LORD said to Aaron, "You will have no inheritance in their land, nor will you have any share among them; I am your share and your inheritance among the Israelites..
The tithe was also paid directly to the storehouse only every 3rd year? and the other two years the tither himself enjoyed the tithes himself by feasting on it?
(Deu 12:17 KJV) Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:(Deu 14:23 KJV) And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
Also, every third year, the Israelite was required to store his tithe in his own town to feed the fatherless, aliens, and widows as required by the Lord. This was the tithe of the poor. (ma’aser ani)(Deuteronomy 14:22-29, 26:12-15) (Amos 4:4-5)
1 Corinthians 16:1,2 Giving to needy saints"
(Acts 4:35 KJV) And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
(Acts 6:1 KJV) And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration. 2 Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables. 3 Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business. 4 But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word. 5 And the saying pleased the whole multitude: and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Ghost, and Philip, and Prochorus, and Nicanor, and Timon, and Parmenas, and Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch: 6 Whom they set before the apostles: and when they had prayed, they laid their hands on them.
(1 Tim 3:10 KJV) And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
(1 Tim 3:13 KJV) For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Note this Biblical instruction that any pastor, church worker, poor person who owns a piece of property, real estate, a home they cannot even now avail themselves of any portion of the tithe now still too.
10 Crooked pastors, crooked churches can be removed , even their tax exemptions removed, and their ability to give tax receipts removed as well by the government as had been done now in the Calgary Christian center church.
(Rev 2:5 KJV) Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
(Rev 3:19 KJV) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
(Mat 7:1 KJV) Judge not, that ye be not judged.
(Mat 7:2 KJV) For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
(Mat 7:3 KJV) And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
(Mat 7:4 KJV) Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
(Mat 7:5 KJV) Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
The prominent republican US senator "Mr. Grassley may send letters to other ministries in the future, aides said. Because of news media coverage of the letters to the six ministries, his office has been flooded with calls about them and other church organizations, too, the aides said. Six weeks after Senator Charles E. Grassley asked six well-known evangelistic ministries to provide information on how they spent donors’ money, only two have complied. The lawyers for one ministry have asked for more time from Mr. Grassley, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, who sent letters to the organizations in early November. Three other ministries have not been in recent contact with the committee or have said they will not cooperate."
Senator Grasley review of selected organizations now is firstly unfair, dishonest, immoral, discriminatory approach in itself. Any review of the alleged misappropriations of funds needs to start by reviewing all of the Christian churches firstly of all denominations now too, and it also would include the circumstances by which the funds were collected, the method of appeal used to collect the money by all of the churches. And these reviews would necessity require full review of the false use of the pressure of "tithing" put upon the givers, contrary to voluntarily, cheerful giving, including a review of any and all preachers stating falsely now that "tithing" itself is still (Biblicaly )mandatory , applicable commandment by God today even. And thus even here misleading persons with prosperty tithing appeal to pressure people into giving. Next the review needs to look at how the collected tithing money was used directly as well. Firstly it was the priests themselves who were charged with stealing the tithes in the Old Testament book of Malachi. Secondly very clearly in both the Old and especially in the New testament Church tithing was always clearly, undeniable associated with helping directly the local and distant poor people. (Gal 2:10 KJV) Only they would that we should remember the poor; the same which I also was forward to do. ( But most evangelical chruches do not do so stilltoday, and wrongfully too)
One of the biggest demander of these financial reviews to Senator Grassley now was an undeniable crook himself, as often witnessed by me, and so was his own Pentecostal Church for they wrongfully tended to never use the clearly designated ( Biblical) portion by the Old Testament of 1/7 to give it directly to the local poor persons for their needs. For they were all part of "the rich who persecute the poor people" club that prevails in many churches falsely today.. Even today this Pentecostal church falsely insists that to become a member of their church one has to sign an agreement that they would "tithe" to the Trinity church. There is no such Biblical requirement in any part of the New Testament as well. And had the church and their members also paid their full taxes and not committed tax evasion their would b e also more money for the government s to help the poor and needy persons now too. This self made person of Walter Kambulow rather instead, falsely blamed falsely the poor or sick persons as being lazy, pretending their sickness as I heard myself often too. This Pentecostal church itself basically, wrongfully, falsely does not help any poor people today, not even in their own church, or in their city and do note this that both they both had falsely justified their immoral approach, their lack of compassion for others, their not fulfilling the clear Biblical obligations of using the tithes to help the poor, sick needy persons by them both stating that all of the poor and sick persons were sick due to their own personal sins. This itself is mostly an unacceptable lie, a distortion of reality.
Two of the most despicable false teachings found even elsewhere but especially in the Pentecostal- evangelical circles today included that it is God's will that we all be financially prosperous, how you got it may not matter? and that is a sin to be found poor and/or sick.. these teachings are despicable because these self centered Christians should have known better.. and they use poverty, sickness as an excuse to ostracize, kick out falsely the sick and needy, sick persons even from their own churches.. the too often bad pastors often ask the poor and sick people who cannot give to them rather to leave.. God does not overlook any of this wrong doings and he has his own way of punishing such bad persons. We had such bad persons teaching these lies around even at the time of Christ"
(Phil 3:18 KJV) (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
Here is a fact I have also clearly noticed, in real life the last 50 years as well, too many, most of the people who did the loudest, biggest complaining about the supposedly bad sinful acts of others they themselves were firstly now even doing the very same thing, and that was why they were so sensitive now about such supposed acts in others. Now that has included not only pastors, a housewife, brothers, brothers and sister in laws too, acquaintances. Clearly they all were wrongfully hoping to alleviate their own low self esteem, their own personal guilty feelings, the bad feelings of their own inadequacies by diverting it to the others by bashing the others but this will, does not work. They all, pastors now included they firstly still do have to take full responsibility and real repentance for their own sins, even for their own stealing, lying, tax evasions, adultery, slandering too. Sadly even these days when any persons does wrong they tend to have not only bad associates, accomplices, the false support of others, their followers too for not repenting of their wrong doings even... all courtesy now of the devil as well.
None of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. Rom. 14:7
Whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. Rom. 14:8
Let no man seek his own: but every man another's wealth. I Cor. 10:24
Ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. I Cor. 6:20
Christ shall be magnified in my body, whether it be by life, or by death. For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better. Phil. 1:20-23
I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Gal. 2:19, 20 "
A brother Paul
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